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News and project status [2007-06-20]

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Comix
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Many of you thought the project was dead...in fact it was! :-|

Now I'm back and my plans are to finish the 0.9.4 release and only then start to think about the Hydrogen future.
I promised too many things in just one version...that was my fault and the main reason why I "choked" and I give up.
So in order to finish this release I'm going to drop some features and the porting to mac and windows platforms.

The new source code for the development release can be obtained through the new subversion repository:

svn co http://hydrogen-music.org/svn/trunk hydrogen

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Xangis
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Good to hear it's alive again. Hydrogen is the best option for drums on Linux, so it would be a shame to see it fizzle.

Small steps are the way to go -- work on it when it's fun, not when it's work.

Cheers,
Xangis

phrontist
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Just wanted to offer some words of encouragement - your software is fantastic, and I personally can't understate how much I appreciate your continued work on it.

Can't wait for any new releases... compiling from subversion now...

Eldmannen
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Good that the project is alive again.

Hope to see a release soon, it has been too long. :(
Automatically built nightly builds would be awesome.

Sucks, that you give up the Windows and Mac OS X port.

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jop
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The only thing this drum editor lacks is MIDI OUT. You could directly control commercial VSTs with *MUCH* better sounds than hydrogen such as Battery 2 and 3 - It would be wonderful with all the swing/humanize functions of hydrogen. It's not planned at all, isn't it?
The current sounds are dull and good just for house and dance music. Period.

yervah
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it's a drag for Mac and Windows that the project was cancelled but face it, they're tons of great apps for them out there.
for us Linux users, we have only a few really good apps and this is one of them.
We can't have our developers burning out by speading themselves too thin.

I hope later the other OS's can experience some of these apps but maybe we should get it working great on one OS first, then serve the rest.
I really wish I knew how to program so I could help.

I've tried Hydrogen on Windows and it wasn't bad.

stanzarossa
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you can, as i do everyday, create your own drumkit with your sounds, and you can use even loops as sounds.

jop
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I've never said you couldn't: my argument is about sound quality which is WAY lower than VSTs i've tried - you can't layer sounds - use pro-quality effects, record the drum kits in separate tracks in your DAW (splitting snare and bass drums) because you just have two stereo channels, and many more things. But this is just normal, commercial stuff is expensive 'cause people were paid to create it. I've lived with it for more than ten years. But the concept beneath the user interface and the usability of hydrogen is way better than most drum editors out there, it's a pleasure to use it. The thing I just don't understand is other similar programs such as gneutronica, which really sucks compared to hydrogen, got MIDI out and thus, paired with a VST, simply sound better - which is, IMHO, the first thing to think about when writing a software for musicians.
:)

yervah
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I'm not too sure what you mean by splitting the drum kits but using Ardour and Qjackctl, I record every drum to a different track. Every drum is in stereo and multi-layered.

Ardour handles tons of VSTs now, at least for my needs. I tried the Windows stuff and that's where I couldn't do separate tracks.

jop
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Means to record (in ardour for example) snare, hi-hats, bass drum, all at once, each in separate tracks, so you can later work with external EQs and effects.

Last time I checked it wasn't possible.

I hope now someone doesn't tell me to do the recording multiple times de-muting the kit's parts one at a time :S ;)

My first message was posted just to say that this software could get a lot more attention, even for production quality music in rock/metal genres, with MIDI out feature.

In all these years I've folloed this project, I've seen almost only interface improvements - Eagerly waiting for a way to control my other virtual instruments via hydrogen - and got nothing, like the authors were drawing more attention to the appearance and beautiness of their software rather than "sound quality". I'm not criticizing you, it's free software, you don't ask for money (but you were with drumkits). It's just a thought.

Nowadays, I got used to build patterns in Muse, organize them, and connect Muse to VSTs such as NI Battery using vsthost. I have roughly the same type of song building style and really better sounds. So where is hydrogen's added value?

Bye :)

yervah
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That's what I meant by splitting tracks too. Been doing that for years with Ardour and Hydrogen.
I sync them together, open the "track/bus inspector" in Ardour, find Hydrogen and connect each drum to a track, (snare, hi-hats, bass drum, all at once, each in separate tracks) in stereo and hit record.

In there is where I would add the vsts.

Check things out again. I've been doing this at least for the past 3 years.

yeah, midi out and a few more features would be nice but that's work in progress.
The stuff has come a long way that I even have some pro studio buds of my using Linux only now with Ardour and Hydrogen as the centre.
I hope you don't think I'm arguing with you, I'm just trying to help and to point out something that was over looked.

I hope that helped.

Blaubaer
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Hi comix,

it would be nice if you could mark the code which isn't portable,
so that somebody else could make the windows and mac ports.

paulcooke
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I'd like to see MIDI out so I can drive my Alesis SR-16 drum machine.

Also, I'd like to see some form of MIDI import so I can import a song or just a pattern.

Eldmannen
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hg87
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@jop
it would be cool, that you check again hydrogen and don't tell that the things you'd like wouldn't be able.

first of all, got to the settings and audiosystem and activate "trackoutputs". after you've done that you've an jack output for each drum. (and of course, you can record each instrument with ardour at once.)
the second part is, that it is possible to layer sounds, just mark an instrument and have a look at the instrument editor in the layer tab.
there you've the option to layer 16 sounds for one instrument, and i think that that should be enough.

i don't really know the "pro-quality-effects", but you are able to use four ladspa effects in hydrogen on each instrument, and if that's not enough, just record it with a daw and add as much effect's you need/your hardware can handle. (and as far as i know, some ladspa effects are quite good compared to the "pro-quality-effects".)

also a thing, which you should keep in mind, is that audio production is quite new in linux, and that the most programs are available under GPL.
and next time, be so kindly and check out the features of a program, before complaining that it's not possible with that program.

kind regards,
harald

Comix
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[JOQ QUOTE]
Nowadays, I got used to build patterns in Muse, organize them, and connect Muse to VSTs such as NI Battery using vsthost. I have roughly the same type of song building style and really better sounds. So where is hydrogen's added value?
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The hydrogen added value WAS "people". The people behind hydrogen was the real added value. The project progressed very well before people start complaining about lack of features and *pretending* to the developers to do something...

Constructive criticism is welcome. All the rest will be ignored.

Ciao
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jop
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First of all, I apologize, I've been maybe too harsh in my first post. But there was a reason for that.

As I've written in my 2nd post, I've followed this project almost from the real beginning. I also wrote I loved it if i'm not mistaken :-)

After some months of usage, though, I felt I missed something 'cause I was stuck with sounds and features of hydrogen. I'm not too much in C++ development, I always used C and could not help so much, I saw there was a forum in the site and asked if MIDI support for realtime output was planned. There was no answer, though the developer happily accepted compliments and suggestions regarding look and feel stuff.

So I started using gneutronica, which did the same stuff as hydrogen but with midi realtime output. The user interface was not too good, though :) I came back to hydrogen site, and I saw no changes, except for some drumkits, some that was non-free, and a bunch of requests for MIDI output. So I tried again, and the answer was "Hydrogen is not a sequencer, and will never support midi out. Is it clear?" or something like that :-) I raised my shoulders and kept using gneutronica and muse.

After some time (again) I've read that a new release was about to be built, and happily looked at the features - then I wrote that message :-)

Anyway, just to be clear...My last windows was release 3.11, and I'm a linux developer and sysadmin since 1998 - and, about music, ardour is my daw of choice since its first releases. I never used cubase or other commercial products.

The main goal in making digital music is to obtain a good sound quality. Like you, I'm a linux enthusiast and I keep using free and gpl'd programs even if they lack features, I don't care. What I've tried to explain is that I've also tried vst software and with my ears I've heard that stuff like LADSPA plugins (yes, even them) are not even comparable to certain other, commercial, tested, with really more than one minor-minor release in more than a year, and written by an entire team of developers, instead of one single guy that gets angry at a single, maybe harsh, critic, lamenting that people *pretend* the developer to do something. When you write programs, you do it for people, but you happily ignored all requests you didn't like, for much time, not only "Not-Constructive" (imho) ones :-) imho, with midi output you could do lot more things with your drum machine, that's what I've written in my first (very old) post. It was for improving your software.... But that's an opinion, I've come thru with my ears, that of course can be mistaken ;)

Ciao!

Apple_jack
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Hey guyz, I've found Hydrogen today and it's obviously the best drum sequencer I've ever seen... You just can't let it die.

mathieu
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Hello there !

I discovered Hydrogen few month ago, I've got any problem, I don't want more and more fonctions, just want to say that it's an amazing and so simple to use music software ! You did a great work, thank you !

And if the community don't want to let it die, so please gentlemen, if you have a friend who like music and programming and have nothing to do during the next year...

Unfortunatly, I don't know this rare guy.

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