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drumkit as a work of art - really all rights reserved?

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Onkobu
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I read through the forum and found some text like: "but is this drumkit free?" As far as I'm concerned, I'd never say, that a drumkit can be protected by any law. A "work of art" is the result of a creative process, never recognized before, therefore new.

I'd say a drumkit is definitely not a work of art. Everybody can take a can or pot, use a stick, stone, his own head or whatever, hit that thing and record it. Everybody heard a "pling", "plong", "pow", "woosh" or whatever before. It would be a work of art, if you arrange different sounds more or less rhythmic.

According to that Snap-thing (Snap copied 4 notes of a bassline for one of their tracks) 4 notes are not a work of art->one note isn't a work of art too. Even rhythm loops can't be protected by any law, so why should drumkits be?

I sampled some ping pong game sounds. Who's work of art is this? Is it mine, while recording, the players, the inventor of the game? Do you need to pay fees to roland while using a 909, turning attack to 90% 'cause anybody before could have done it the same way?

Also Synthesizer sounds are not protected by copyright laws. Otherwise it would be necessary to avoid yamaha synths to create roland-like saw stacks, open source software synths wouldn't be allowed to sound like both and so on.

Am I wrong?

Alexandre
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I don't quite understand what you are trying to tell us. Are you against applying any license to drumkits?

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Onkobu
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I'll cut some parts (alog the dotted line): "...I'd never say, that a drumkit can be protected by any law...Am I wrong?" Is it expressed now more clearly? There's no necessity to be against it, 'cause there's no law for it. Maybe there are differences between laws. That's why I'm asking (before posting drumkits with a potencially wrong license avoiding free use).

Alexandre
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Following your logic any (e-)dictionary data is not protected as well :)

I don't think that copyrights are good. But if someone in those comopanies thinks that's we are breaking some law, believe me, they will do their best to sue us. It's not about truth really. It's all about how both sides interprete words. This is why I insisted on adding copyright section for both drumkits and songs formats -- to make less fun for lawyers.

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Onkobu
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Music is not about lawyers, it's about ideas, creativity - it is art. Sure, if someone copies art, it's illegal but there must be an end, some basic free element, free for all to use it, like they want to...

Nevertheless I'll start turning some knobs...drumkits, free for all, free to use for whatever *g*. (Free at last, FREE AT LAST, Thank god, drumkits are free at last)

Alexandre
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Good luck to you :) It's good to know there are active people in Hydrogen community.

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Artemio
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[i]I'd say a drumkit is definitely not a work of art. [/i]

Oh my, I didn't ever expect to hear this. Anyone can take a pretty simple synthesiser and create a drum/percussion sound... But creating a good, beautiful, original sound is art, just like drawing a picture. Like an artist knows which paints, what paper and which brushes he needs, a sound designer works with oscillators, filters, envelopes, effects, samples...

[i]Everybody can take a can or pot, use a stick, stone, his own head or whatever, hit that thing and record it. [/i]

Yes, but why don't we have such cool "art" over here then? We could have 100s of such drum kits over here. No, I do not mean you can't get good sounds simply recording stuff that lies close to you. But creating good and usable sounds requires you to know how to operate your instruments - mikes, recorder, how to hit the object, how to decrease room reverb, then how to edit this sound properly and so on. This is art, the art of sound design.

Onkobu
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[i]But creating a good, beautiful, original sound is art[/i]

Why original? Is the tb303 used for it's designed purpose? Does an echo only produce echo or is it possible to give 100% feedback with nearly no delay? Is a guitar amp always well set up, to create nearly no distortion?

Did you read your synthesizers manual, did you find some note like: "All shipped sounds may be used for commercial purpose. All self made sounds must be published under XYZ license for public use."

[i]Yes, but why don't we have such cool "art" over here then? We could have 100s of such drum kits over here.[/i]

You wont have some of these over here, too many people need to impress others by creating beautifully shaped oscillator sounds, coupled with psychedelic effects only to create a 80's Rock Snare. For example Kraftwerk never tried to make natural sounds (Boing Boom Tschak, Autobahn, Roboter, Geigerz?hler).

But the question was not: "What is art for you?" but: "Is a set of drum sounds art enough to be protected by copyright laws?"

Artemio
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Well, I get your point, but you started a weird discussion. It's too philosophic to talk about, it can be an endless talk ;-)